When Dexter Gordon
won the 1971 Down
Beat Critics Poll,
the honor could
hardly be
considered
premature. The
tenorist, who
celebrated his
49th birthday last
Feb. 17, is one of
the great voices
in modern jazz and
has been a
professional
musician since the
age of 17, when he
joined Lionel
Hampton's band.
After a stint with
Louis Armstrong,
he became a
charter member of
Billy Eckstine's
famed big band,
with which he made
his mark.
For nearly a
decade, the tall,
debonair tenorman
has made his home
in Copenhagen,
Denmark, where
this interview
took place. From
time to time, he
visits the U.S.,
to perform (he
appeared at the
1970 Newport Jazz
Festival), visit
with friends and
relatives, check
out the scene, and
record. (His 1969
and 1970 visits
yielded an
extraordinary
series of albums
for Prestige, all
produced by Don
Schlitten: The
Tower of Power,
More Power, The
Panther, and The
Jumping Blues-the
latter reviewed in
this issue.)
JA: Why
do you think you
won the poll?
DG:
Because I'm the
world's greatest
tenor saxophonist,
ha, ha, ha! No, I
really don't know.
JA: Was
it a surprise?
DG: Yes,
I would say so. I
hadn't really
thought about it,
you know.+I was
always kind of
curious to peek at
the results, but
it has never been
a really big thing
for me.
JA: In
what way can it be
of importance to
you?
DG:
Well, first of
all,
recognition-to
have a little
recognition, that
is very nice, you
dig. It is good
for the ego, for
the psyche. A
recognition of
what I've been
trying to do for
years-it's
certainly not just
a spot opinion; I
mean, it's
something that
obviously has been
building up for
years. Of course,
it is also very
good for
publicity, and it
is the kind of
recognition that
maybe will help
financially, also.
JA: Do
you think that
these polls mirror
the reality of
what is happening
in the music
world?
DG: You
know, there are
two kinds of
polls. There's the
critics poll, and
then there's
another poll where
the readers write
in. But one would
say that the first
is the, of course,
more critical
poll, because it's
supposed to be
music critics who
are voting. But it
doesn't
necessarily
reflect your
popularity or name
value.
JA: Do
you think that
critics are able
to judge who's
best?
DG:
Well, it's an
individual thing,
but we must assume
that if they are
music critics,
then they must
know something
about music. They
spend a lot of
time
listening-they
must know
something about
music in order to
be able to write
half way
intelligently
about it. So you
have to assume
that they do know
something about
it.
JA: Do
you think that
music can be
criticized?
DG: I
think so, but it
should always be
kept in mind that
it is also a
personal opinion.
I mean, there's
always a certain
amount of
prejudice,
pre-judgment, in
anybody's
opinion-about
anything, you
know.
JA: So
what would you say
the critics have
to go by?
DG: Part
of it must be
comparison.
JA: If
you had lived in
the States, would
winning the poll
have meant more
when it comes to
jobs and money?
DG:
Hmm-yes, I think
so. But since this
has happened, I've
had all kinds of
interviews for
radio and the
papers and all of
this is very good.
JA: What
has it meant
musically to live
in Europe?
DG:
Well, for me, it
has been very good
because my whole
lifestyle is much
calmer, much more
relaxed. I can
devote more time
to music, and I
think it is
beginning to show.
It's not that
everyday scuffle,
and I'm able to
concentrate more
on studying. Of
course, the music
scene is more
competitive in the
States. I think it
would be very easy
for an American
jazz musician to
come over here and
just relax and
play by rote; so
to speak, but I
think that's very
rare, 'cause, you
know, if a man is
a musician he is
interested in
music and he is
going to play as
much and study as
much as possible.
And I think most
of the guys who
have come over
here have
improved-there are
some very good
musicians over
here.
JA:
What's the
difference between
audiences here and
in the States?
DG: I
think the European
audience has a
more intellectual
approach to the
music, and in the
states they're
more
demonstrative-the
whistles and all
that.
JA: You
go back to the
States frequently.
Is that to keep up
with the music
scene, with what's
going on there?
DG: In
part, but also a
lot of times I go
back to record and
to make a tour,
but of course I'm
very happy to do
it, because it
gives me an
opportunity to dig
and hear what's
going on. After
all, it's still
the center-the new
trends are coming
from there.
JA: What
do you prefer to
call your
music-jazz or
black music?
DG: What
I'm doing-I prefer
to call that jazz,
because to me it's
not a dirty word.
To me, it is a
beautiful word-I
love it. And, I
mean, if I were to
call it black
music that would
be untrue, because
there are a lot of
other influences
in there. In jazz,
there is a lot of
European influence
harmonically. Many
of the harmonic
structures of
bebop come from
Stravinsky, from
Handel and Bart-k,
so to say "black
music"-I don't
know what that is,
unless it would be
some African drums
or something.